This is first in series that I shall be producing, a debate that one of my good friend had with a self –proclaimed PRAYER –WARRIOR who also confessed to be a prophet of God. She and her family has a chruch & a congregation where they profess to lead a faith-healing session. When my friend had a debate invitation via common friend with her, she claimed to be the knower of Bible and that she would solve my friend’s all doubts and give answers to his questions. Being so invited my friend went on to accept her invitation, and after repeated asking of question she, forget answering, never even bothered to reply.
The reason why that happened is because my dear friend is no fool, being himself educated and well learned in Bible and mysticism , proved too Tough for her to digest.So she sensing that refrained from replying by making excuses. Typical Christian attitude.
The reason why I
am providing this debate is to share with you all typical missionery
conversion propaganda to fool guillible and innocent people into thinking that some Yeshua(Jesus) would heal & solve their problems and that Bible is the infallible word of God
Finally inspite of repeated insistence, my friend after 1.5 months of waiting gave a very interesting reply to her for not only wasting his time but also being a coward that she was who decided to run.
Following is the exciting full reply that my friend gave I am providing, after due permission from him. Enjoy and educated yourself and others. Shall we being…
conversion propaganda to fool guillible and innocent people into thinking that some Yeshua(Jesus) would heal & solve their problems and that Bible is the infallible word of God
Finally inspite of repeated insistence, my friend after 1.5 months of waiting gave a very interesting reply to her for not only wasting his time but also being a coward that she was who decided to run.
Following is the exciting full reply that my friend gave I am providing, after due permission from him. Enjoy and educated yourself and others. Shall we being…
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S****** Response
to me : "I m
sorry to say but u have a twisted mind and an even more twisted
tongue....like I said you are interpreting everything literally..and it will
take time to explain things...if u think your so smart and other 593 million
who believe in Christ are idiots then try and spread your dumb philosophy all
over naa...try it...”
My Reply:
Madam, twisted people are those who have criminal bent of mind always aiming
to defraud people and rob them. As such I don’t have any such intentions .
Your allegations are quite serious and baseless as I have just asked a simple
question and put a decent reply. Will that amount to being cunning and being
Bad mout.
As far as being smart is concerned well I don’t claim to be so, but if you see a pit and willingly put yourself in that than that’s called Stupidity and Foolishness. And on the contrary avoiding it is called common sense; and that’s precisely what I use and every human should.
As
far as 593 people fooling is concerned, well let me tell you very simply, in Ancient times not just
593 millions but whole Earth and all its inhabitants thought that Earth was
flat and Sun revolved around Earth and not earth.
Yet
when Christopher Coloumbus set out it not only radically changed Geological
perception but also people’s eyes got opened. When Corpanicus challenged the
theory of Sun revolving around earth Catholic church got his bones removed from
coffin and burned to ashes because Bible says Sun revolve around earth.
Now
satellite has further proved that so obviously now you also believe Science
and ditched the words of your God!! So did that made you smart? Well in many
ways YES, as you acquired new knowledge and overcame Ignorance.
S***** Response:
” u guys who think can decipher the bible and dissect it with your twisted thinking
are only helping in propagating the truth in the scriptures...if it is not the
truth according to you then what do u want me to prove it in the first place?
if it’s a lie then let it be”.
My Reply
: Honourable madam, I with all my heart respect you very much but it does’t
take rocket science to decipher what is in a book. So lets say if I read
Alif-Laila or Romio-Juliet can’t I even use my brain about the plot in these
stories ? What do you expect from me to just blindly read and mug up and not even
to ask any question? Just read and do formality? To tell the truth I m only
following New Testament Principle of “SeeK
and You Shall Find”.
Madam, you were supposed to correct me by providing right answer but on contrary you are running away like a chicken and backing –off and saying let it be a lie? I did not expect any such thing from a Christian like you who is going to organize a “Blow the Horn” Festival for Jesus Return in few weeks time.(A reference to her Chruch's incoming festival)
Some
days back you gave me a very lame excuse that you are suffering from “ Don’t have any time” Syndrome. When All
I asked was only 15 min of your time.
In
fact this is a very typical reply of
Christians .First they claim knowledge and then start running like chicken !!
What a joke you people are making for non-christians.
S***** Response:
“if you want an explanation read the Drakes commentary n others too....This
generation shall not pass - γενεα αυτη, this race; i.e. the Jews shall
not cease from being a distinct people, till all the counsels of God relative
to them and the Gentiles be fulfilled”.
My reply
: Madam, as I said earlier if Orange juice means orange Juice , don’t you
think it to be a foolishness to consult Oxford Dictionery and Scientific name
of Orange etc?
Your
logic is quite childish its like “
Mango tree must produce Guava, otherwise its not Mango Tree “, either way
you contradict yourself as mango will yield mango and if it yield guava than
its Guava Tree. First of all let me tell you that you are not an expert of
Greek which is quite obvious form your reply.
Secondly
you are only increasing your difficiulties by quoting From Greek Septuagint (
Most Authentic and Original version) in which New Testament was written. You
write-“γενεα αυτη (Literal
Meaning: Generation this)” and yet
simultaneously out of nowhere write “Race” and Equate them both . A simple
foolish step which you should not do in front of a learnt person like me.
Even a 6th standard student can
tell difference between Race and Generation.
Where
Former is Ethnic Tribe & latter is Gap between one set of people over
other during a course of time in terms of Geneology.
KJV
:
American
Std Version:
Amplified
Bible:
NIV:
Finally
the Most authentic of all The Greek Septuagint : “αμην(
Amen) λεγω(I
say) υμιν(you) ου(the)
μη(not) παρελθη(Past) η
(the) γενεα
(generation) αυτη
(this) εως (
up) αν
(if) παντα
(always) ταυτα
(these) things γενηται
(genitive).
Even if I believe you that it means “race”
and not ”Generation” Still there is a big shocker waiting for you:
Matt
10:23 –
Matt 12:41 – “The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it”. Speaking to his apostles, he tells them that he will return before they are able to spread the word throughout all of the cities in Israel. Well, the word was spread all throughout Israel, and Jesus still hasn’t returned . Additionally Nineveh theme clearly speaks of Generation of Jesus and not the race as Latter Generation saw the fortune of Jesus being Present with them and teaching and former was not that lucky for that to happen!! Remember!! Also even a dumb knows that Nineveh was not a jewish tribe so obviously it meant Generation and not Race.
Now
you will accuse me to be too literal in meaning well look carefully, I m not
even interpretating just repeating
same words Of Jesus. Am I not?
So,
should I consult any Drake commentary
when truth is quite visible. If I can see a Cat should I consult a
Zoologist to make sure I really see cat?
S******* Response : “γενεα αυτη, this race; i.e. the Jews shall
not cease from being
a distinct people, till all the counsels of God
relative to them and the Gentiles be fulfilled. yet as our Lord mentions
Jerusalem's continuing to be under the power of the Gentiles till the
fullness of the Gentiles should come in, i.e. till all the nations of the
world should receive the Gospel of Christ, after which the Jews themselves
should be converted unto God, Romans 11:25, etc..”
My Reply:
Madam, Madam it seems that you don’t have any knowledge of Bible that’s why
you are expecting such a thing like “eventually
Jews shall convert and will accept Jesus as there Messiah ”. Let me Prove
it to you :
Malachi
4:4-5 “ Remember ye the Law of Moses my servant,which I commanded unto him in
Horeb for all Israel, with the statues and judgements.”
“
Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and
Dreadful day of the Lord.”
Notice
how God of Bible is commanding all Israelies to fulfill all commands of Old
testaments given to them in Mount Horeb. And what were they? Those same Lamb –Buffalow
–cow-Pigeon sacrifice , and Capital punishment for Adultary and stoning to death etc.
And
guess what all jews are following Old testament only and not Jesus Laws even
today also after 2000 years of persecution as ordered by there GOD.
Zechariah
13:20-21 “In that day shall there be upon the bells of horses ,HOLINESS UNTO
THE LORD ; and the pots in Lords’s
house shall be like bowl before alter.
Verse
21 : “Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judha shall be holiness unto the
lord of hosts: and all they that
sacrifice shall come and take of them , and seethe therein” . ( In short, same old testament rituals will
again start !! )
V22
“ For as the new heavens and new earth ,which I will make, shall remain
before me , saith the Lord,so shall your seed and your name remain.”( This verse is a clear refutation of ur claim that Jews shall cease to
exist as Distinct People)
V23-“And
it shall come to pass , that from new
MOON to another , and from one sabbath to another , shall all flesh
come to worship before me”.(These all are Jewish festivals closely
related to Old testament teaching and commandments Like having Passover
festivals and Sacrificing Paschal Lamb etc.and they will still go on and on
forever!!)
If
God really wanted every Jew to become Christian definitely these old times
practices very now of no use and he won’t even order
these to be followed.
But
God never speaks in vain and neither is he an author of confusion so, either
you and your new testament doctrines
are true or God?
Drake’s commentary & My
Views
You
ask me to refer Drakes commentary, why should I? It so much shameful and
disgusting on your part that you expect me to refer to such a man’s
commentary.
Finish
Drake a convicted criminal in 1937 was convicted of violating the Mann Act by
wilfully transporting 16-year-old Emma Barelli across the Wisconsin state
line “for the purpose of debauchery and other immoral practices”. The May 27,
1936, issue of the Chicago Daily Tribune reported that Dake registered at
hotels in Waukegan, Bloomington, and East St. Louis with the girl under the
name "Christian Anderson and wife". In order to avoid a jury trial
and the possibility of being sentenced to a maximum of 10 years in prison and
a fine of $10,000, Dake pled guilty. Subsequently, he served six months in
the House of Corrections in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Mann
Act(1910): It
is named after Congressman James Robert Mann, prohibited white slavery and the interstate transport of
females for “immoral purposes”. Its primary stated intent was to address prostitution,
immorality, and human trafficking.( SHAME SHAME!!)
In
fact sexually immoral conduct is not something new in this religion all the
time catholic priests are accused to molesting innocent children and pope is
on the run to save his sinner priests
and the culprits.Do you ever find any
Jewish Rabbi doing such crap and making headlines for such Pevertness?
Recently,
World Famous Televengalist BENNY HINN divorced his wife of 30 years for
some much young woman who incidently
was also publisher of his crazy & dumb fairy tale books. Poor wife
found out that her Holy Spirit filled Celebrity-Husband was having sexual
adventures( Holy spirit Power works in
Old age too lol) at her back and she filed for divorced . What a shame!!
NOTE: Since then Benny Hinn has managed to patched up with his wife.
In
fact such people live quite a luxuary life in there Multi-million dollar Penthouses
financed by generous donation of innocent
people see Youtube .
In
fact , these people are no different from Page3 people who just keep fuck
around (Sorry to use these words! Buts it’s the truth) and want to bed the hottest Women
available in town. Just search “Benny
Hinn marriage Scandal” and you shall know the truth and truth shall
set you free !! Right?. A Prayer
warrior (What a Joke!!).
It
seems to me that not only you are fooling yourself but also in your Mad Quest
of conversion are preying on Innocent people through missionery activities
and creating social discord.
I take heavy vow and Pledge that where ever I will find Missionery like you who are predatory and indulge in conversion like you and fool innocent people in this cult by falsely claiming to be Youth Pastor and one who pretends to receives prophetic vision but secretly are bent at destroying people’s faith and making them follow a cult :Here o heavens ,O universe , and suns and moons I will Make their(Missioneries) “MISSION IMPOSSIBLE ”
You know what !! your very first message itself revealed to me that on
how much water you are standing ,that you are not gonna stand much longer as you are not knowlegable even basics but it was my patience that I waited for for
your reply !! I knew that you don’t respect someone’s time and have gotten
the Idea that you can not fool a person like me by just blinding quoting any verse as someone said rightly “A Text without a Context is Pretext”
and that is precisely how missioneries fool the gullible and innocent people
and prey on helpless victim who don’t have much knowledge of you cult.
Final
Wordings For a Lady Like you who is a young Pastor and leads Youth to Pray as
your Website say and who claims to defend her faith till her last breath and
then make a Potato of herself by Running away like a CHICKEN even as Peter
the Apostle of Jesus did like a Coward as you both are:
"The church says the earth is flat; but I have seen its shadow on the moon, and I have more confidence even in a shadow than in the church."
- Ferdinand
Magellan (1480 – 1521)
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Robert Mascharan
LOL LOL LOL , it is so funny to see a christian dumb ass get kicked during debate !
ReplyDeleteWay to go , Robert !