Monday, 18 February 2013

The Great Debate


                                                                 
This is first in series that I shall be producing, a debate that one of my good friend had with a self –proclaimed PRAYER –WARRIOR who also confessed to be a prophet of God. She and her family has a chruch & a congregation where they profess to lead a faith-healing session. When my friend had a debate invitation via common friend with her, she claimed to be the knower of Bible and that she would solve my friend’s all doubts and give answers to his questions. Being so invited my friend went on to accept her invitation, and after repeated asking of question she, forget answering, never even bothered to reply. 
                                                                   

The reason why that happened is because my dear friend is no fool, being himself educated and well learned in Bible and mysticism , proved too Tough for her to digest.So she sensing that refrained from replying by making excuses. Typical  Christian attitude.
The reason why I am providing this debate is to share with you all typical missionery
conversion propaganda to fool guillible and innocent people into thinking that some Yeshua(Jesus) would heal & solve their problems and that Bible is the infallible word of God  

Finally inspite of repeated insistence, my friend after 1.5 months of waiting  gave a very interesting reply to her for not only wasting his time but also being a coward that  she was who decided to run.

Following is the exciting full reply that my friend gave I am providing, after due permission from him. Enjoy and educated yourself and others. Shall we being…

S****** Response to me  :  "I m sorry to say but u have a twisted mind and an even more twisted tongue....like I said you are interpreting everything literally..and it will take time to explain things...if u think your so smart and other 593 million who believe in Christ are idiots then try and spread your dumb philosophy all over naa...try it...”
My Reply: Madam, twisted people are those who have criminal bent of mind always aiming to defraud people and rob them. As such I don’t have any such intentions . Your allegations are quite serious and baseless as I have just asked a simple question and put a decent reply. Will that amount to being cunning and being Bad mout.

As far as being smart is concerned well I don’t claim to be so, but if you see a pit and willingly put yourself in that than that’s called Stupidity and Foolishness. And on the contrary avoiding it is called common sense; and that’s precisely what I use and every human should.
As far as 593 people fooling is concerned, well let me tell  you very simply, in Ancient times not just 593 millions but whole Earth and all its inhabitants thought that Earth was flat and Sun revolved around Earth and not earth.
Yet when Christopher Coloumbus set out it not only radically changed Geological perception but also people’s eyes got opened. When Corpanicus challenged the theory of Sun revolving around earth Catholic church got his bones removed from coffin and burned to ashes because Bible says Sun revolve around earth.
Now satellite has further proved that so obviously now you also believe Science and ditched the words of your God!! So did that made you smart? Well in many ways YES, as you acquired new knowledge and overcame Ignorance.
S***** Response: ” u guys who think can decipher the bible and dissect it with your twisted thinking are only helping in propagating the truth in the scriptures...if it is not the truth according to you then what do u want me to prove it in the first place?  if it’s a lie then let it be”.
My Reply : Honourable madam, I with all my heart respect you very much but it does’t take rocket science to decipher what is in a book. So lets say if I read Alif-Laila or Romio-Juliet can’t I even use my brain about the plot in these stories ? What do you expect from me to just blindly read and mug up and not even to ask any question? Just read and do formality? To tell the truth I m only following New Testament Principle of “SeeK and You Shall Find”.

Madam, you were supposed to correct me by providing right answer but on contrary you are running away like a chicken  and backing –off and saying let it be a lie? I did not expect any such thing from a Christian like you who is going to organize a “Blow the Horn” Festival for Jesus Return in few weeks time.(A reference to her Chruch's incoming festival)
Some days back you gave me a very lame excuse that you are suffering from “ Don’t have any time” Syndrome. When All I asked was only 15 min of your time.
In fact this  is a very typical reply of Christians .First they claim knowledge and then start running like chicken !! What a joke you people are making for non-christians.
S***** Response:  “if you want an explanation read the Drakes commentary n others too....This generation shall not pass -  γενεα αυτη, this race; i.e. the Jews shall not cease from being a distinct people, till all the counsels of God relative to them and the Gentiles be fulfilled”.
My reply : Madam, as I said earlier if Orange juice means orange Juice , don’t you think it to be a foolishness to consult Oxford Dictionery and Scientific name of Orange etc?
Your logic is quite childish its like “ Mango tree must produce Guava, otherwise its not Mango Tree “, either way you contradict yourself as mango will yield mango and if it yield guava than its Guava Tree. First of all let me tell you that you are not an expert of Greek which is quite obvious form your reply.
Secondly you are only increasing your difficiulties by quoting From Greek Septuagint ( Most Authentic and Original version) in which New Testament was written. You write-“γενεα  αυτη (Literal Meaning: Generation this)” and yet simultaneously out of nowhere  write “Race” and Equate them both . A simple foolish step which you should not do in front of a learnt person like me.
 Even a 6th standard student can tell difference between Race and Generation.
Where Former is Ethnic Tribe & latter is Gap between one set of people over other during a course of time in terms of Geneology.
KJV :34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
American Std Version34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished.
Amplified Bible:  34Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away till all these things [r]taken together take place.
NIV: 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Finally the Most authentic of all The Greek Septuagint :  “αμην( Amen) λεγω(I say) υμιν(you) ου(the) μη(not) παρελθη(Past)  η (the)  γενεα (generation) αυτη (this) εως ( up)  αν (if) παντα (always) ταυτα (these) things γενηται (genitive).

Even if I believe you that it means “race” and not ”Generation” Still there is a big shocker waiting for you:
Matt 10:23 – Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the son of man has come”.

Matt 12:41 – 
“The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it”.

Speaking to his apostles, he tells them that he will return before they are able to spread the word throughout all of the cities in Israel. Well, the word was spread all throughout Israel, and Jesus still hasn’t returned .  Additionally Nineveh theme clearly speaks of  Generation of Jesus and not the race as Latter Generation saw the fortune of Jesus being Present with them and teaching and former was not that lucky for that to happen!! Remember!! Also even a dumb knows that Nineveh was not a jewish tribe  so obviously it meant Generation and not Race.
Now you will accuse me to be too literal in meaning well look carefully, I m not even interpretating  just repeating same words Of Jesus. Am I not?
So, should I consult any Drake commentary  when truth is quite visible. If I can see a Cat should I consult a Zoologist to make sure I really see cat?
 S******* Response : “γενεα αυτη, this race; i.e. the Jews shall not cease from being a distinct people, till all the counsels of God relative to them and the Gentiles be fulfilled. yet as our Lord mentions Jerusalem's continuing to be under the power of the Gentiles till the fullness of the Gentiles should come in, i.e. till all the nations of the world should receive the Gospel of Christ, after which the Jews themselves should be converted unto God, Romans 11:25, etc..”

My Reply: Madam, Madam it seems that you don’t have any knowledge of Bible that’s why you are expecting such a thing like “eventually Jews shall convert and will accept Jesus as there Messiah ”. Let me Prove it to you :
Malachi 4:4-5 “ Remember ye the Law of Moses my servant,which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statues and judgements.”
“ Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and Dreadful day of the Lord.”
Notice how God of Bible is commanding all Israelies to fulfill all commands of Old testaments given to them in Mount Horeb. And what were they? Those same Lamb –Buffalow –cow-Pigeon sacrifice , and Capital punishment for Adultary  and stoning to death etc.
And guess what all jews are following Old testament only and not Jesus Laws even today also after 2000 years of persecution  as ordered by there GOD.

Zechariah 13:20-21 “In that day shall there be upon the bells of horses ,HOLINESS UNTO THE  LORD ; and the pots in Lords’s house shall be like bowl before alter.
Verse 21 : “Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judha shall be holiness unto the lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them , and seethe therein” . ( In short, same old testament rituals will again start !! )
V22 “ For as the new heavens and new earth ,which I will make, shall remain before me , saith the Lord,so shall your seed and your name  remain.”( This verse is a clear refutation of ur claim that Jews shall cease to exist as Distinct People)
V23-“And it shall come to pass , that from new  MOON to another , and from one sabbath to another , shall all flesh come  to worship before me”.(These all are Jewish festivals closely related to Old testament teaching and commandments Like having Passover festivals and Sacrificing Paschal Lamb etc.and they will still go on and on forever!!)
If God really wanted every Jew to become Christian definitely these old times practices very now of no use and he won’t even   order these to be followed.
But God never speaks in vain and neither is he an author of confusion so, either you  and your new testament doctrines are true or God?
                                                                  
                                                   Drake’s commentary & My Views
You ask me to refer Drakes commentary, why should I? It so much shameful and disgusting on your part that you expect me to refer to such a man’s commentary.
Finish Drake a convicted criminal in 1937 was convicted of violating the Mann Act by wilfully transporting 16-year-old Emma Barelli across the Wisconsin state line “for the purpose of debauchery and other immoral practices”. The May 27, 1936, issue of the Chicago Daily Tribune reported that Dake registered at hotels in Waukegan, Bloomington, and East St. Louis with the girl under the name "Christian Anderson and wife". In order to avoid a jury trial and the possibility of being sentenced to a maximum of 10 years in prison and a fine of $10,000, Dake pled guilty. Subsequently, he served six months in the House of Corrections in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Mann Act(1910): It is named after Congressman James Robert Mann, prohibited white slavery and the interstate transport of females for “immoral purposes”. Its primary stated intent was to address prostitution, immorality, and human trafficking.( SHAME SHAME!!)
In fact sexually immoral conduct is not something new in this religion all the time catholic priests are accused to molesting innocent children and pope is on the run to save his  sinner priests and  the culprits.Do you ever find any Jewish Rabbi doing such crap and making headlines for such Pevertness?
Recently, World Famous Televengalist BENNY HINN divorced his wife of 30 years for some  much young woman who incidently was also  publisher of his crazy  & dumb fairy tale books. Poor wife found out that her Holy Spirit filled Celebrity-Husband was having sexual adventures( Holy spirit Power works in Old age too lol) at her back and she filed for divorced .  What a shame!!

NOTE: Since then Benny Hinn has managed to patched up with his wife.
In fact such people live quite a luxuary life in there Multi-million dollar Penthouses  financed by generous donation of innocent people see Youtube .
In fact , these people are no different from Page3 people who just keep fuck around (Sorry to use these words! Buts it’s the  truth) and want to bed the hottest Women available in town. Just search “Benny Hinn marriage Scandaland you shall know the truth and truth shall set you free !! Right?.  A Prayer warrior (What a  Joke!!).
It seems to me that not only you are fooling yourself but also in your Mad Quest of conversion are preying on Innocent people through missionery activities and creating social discord.

I take heavy vow and Pledge that where ever I will find Missionery like you who are predatory and indulge in conversion like you and fool innocent people in this cult by falsely claiming to be Youth Pastor and one who pretends to  receives  prophetic vision but secretly  are bent at destroying people’s faith and making them follow a cult :Here o heavens ,O universe , and suns and moons   I will Make their(Missioneries) “MISSION IMPOSSIBLE ”
 You know what !! your very  first message itself revealed to me that on how much water you are standing ,that you are not gonna stand  much longer as you are not knowlegable  even basics  but it was my patience that I waited for for your reply !! I knew that you don’t respect someone’s time and have gotten the Idea that you can not fool a person like me  by just blinding  quoting any verse as someone said rightly “A Text without a Context is Pretext” and that is precisely how missioneries fool the gullible and innocent people and prey on helpless victim who don’t have much knowledge of you cult.
Final Wordings For a Lady Like you who is a young Pastor and leads Youth to Pray as your Website say and who claims to defend her faith till her last breath and then make a Potato of herself by Running away like a CHICKEN even as Peter the Apostle of Jesus did like a Coward as you both are:

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The church says the earth is flat; but I have seen its shadow on the moon, and I have more confidence even in a shadow than in the church.
                                                                            - Ferdinand Magellan (1480 – 1521)


   


Robert Mascharan

1 comment:

  1. LOL LOL LOL , it is so funny to see a christian dumb ass get kicked during debate !
    Way to go , Robert !

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